Magnum Research?

[asa]

everyone in my family has a CCW, my sister and i have AMT Backup .45s, however my father (who paid for my sister and i to get the CCW, the class, fees, everything) has nothing compact over .22
ya'll probably think (as i do) that this is ludicrous, so i've been keeping an eye out for something in a bigger caliber that is about the size of the AMT or smaller (dad is slightly smaller than me, so the AMT doesn't even hide completely in the back pocket of his jeans, which he doesn't like)

the other day i came across the Magnum Research Micro, a .380, 5+1 that seems to retail for around $500, the size was about right, and with a hollow point the .380 isn't that bad (or at least it's better than a damned .22)

anyone know anything about Magnum Research, especially the Micro .380?

and if not, does anyone have any recommendations on a good pistol of the same size or smaller than the AMT Backup .45?

for reference, dimensions are
* .45 ACP semi-automatic
* Barrel length 3”–Overall 5 ¾”
* Height 4 1/16”—Width 1”
* Weight 23 ounces
* Magazine capacity 5
* Locking Barrel Action
* Fiberglass checkered grips
* Grooved slide sight

[Baloneyflaps.]

Magnum Research isn't exactly a noob pistol maker. They designed the Desert Eagle, take that for what it's worth...

[StarDeath13]

That Micro Eagle is a very well made and reliable gun from all the web research ive done.I think its kind of ugly,but who cares as no one will see it unless they did something bad.
It is expensive,but ive not seen anyone say it wasn't worth it.

Options:
Sig P238 .380
Kahr P380
North American Arms (NAA) .380
Seacamp .380 if you can ever find one.

cheap options:
Keltec P3AT
Keltec P9 --- cheap but its a small 9mm
Ruger LCR- better looks and quality over Keltec

Its gonna be hard to beat an AMT backup ,45 size wise. But they arent well know for reliability either.
Kahr PM .45
Taurus PT145 and PT745

The .380 isn't a bad round,ive respected it more since i actually shot one.I have the Sigp238 and its an amazing gun for its size.
Its also very pocket able.
The Kahr PM45 may be close on the pocket able thing,better test that for yourself as it will be close.
My PT745 is not a pocket gun imo.

Your best bet for a pocket gun is .380,but 9mm can be done,id recomend the PM9 as its an amazing gun wich comes in .40 also in the same size package.
The Kahr line is amazingly small for their high caliber,but you will pay threw the nose and recoil is not gonna be fun.

[CommiePunk]

i know quite a few people who like the Ruger LCP. It's like a Keltec but slightly better made. same shitty trigger pull though. It's very light and thin.

[asa]

Originally Posted by StarDeath13

That Micro Eagle is a very well made and reliable gun from all the web research ive done.I think its kind of ugly,but who cares as no one will see it unless they did something bad.
It is expensive,but ive not seen anyone say it wasn't worth it.

Options:
Sig P238 .380
Kahr P380
North American Arms (NAA) .380
Seacamp .380 if you can ever find one.

cheap options:
Keltec P3AT
Keltec P9 --- cheap but its a small 9mm
Ruger LCR- better looks and quality over Keltec

Its gonna be hard to beat an AMT backup ,45 size wise. But they arent well know for reliability either.
Kahr PM .45
Taurus PT145 and PT745

The .380 isn't a bad round,ive respected it more since i actually shot one.I have the Sigp238 and its an amazing gun for its size.
Its also very pocket able.
The Kahr PM45 may be close on the pocket able thing,better test that for yourself as it will be close.
My PT745 is not a pocket gun imo.

Your best bet for a pocket gun is .380,but 9mm can be done,id recomend the PM9 as its an amazing gun wich comes in .40 also in the same size package.
The Kahr line is amazingly small for their high caliber,but you will pay threw the nose and recoil is not gonna be fun.

recoil? not fun? that AMT about cracks my hand off at the wrist every time i shoot it, a .45 that i can cover two thirds of with my Blackberry Storm?
anything has to be better than that

i've found that my AMT feeds perfectly with hollow points, FMJ rounds it'll jam, and some hollow point brands i've used jammed, but Speer GoldDot hollows feed all day and night. and you're right, it is pretty difficult to beat on size

i believe my supervisor has a Ruger LCR, i need to talk to him and find out more info on it

i've got a PT 145 that i've told him he's more than welcome to carry, but hell, that thing won't even fit in any of the pockets of my pants except for a couple pairs of cargo shorts i have
which is a shame, as i really like that one, a lot of people seem to talk bad about Taurus, but i really wish i could carry it more often

i've had a couple guys talk about the Cobra Enterprises Patriot .45, which (from this article) sounds like my AMT's long lost brother, one owner and a couple gun shop owner
sounds like a halfway decent mini-cannon, price seems to be very good

Originally Posted by CommiePunk

i know quite a few people who like the Ruger LCP. It's like a Keltec but slightly better made. same shitty trigger pull though. It's very light and thin.

i was hoping you, or a couple other LEOs would toss out what ya'll carry for a backup pistol (as that's what the AMT was originally designed for), got any enlightenment for me?

[StarDeath13]

Well if the AMT is that bad i wouldn't suspect the P3AT or LCR or would any worse,id take the LCR over the Keltec personally.The Micro eagle should be close to about the same recoil as those two despite it being metal due to its small size.
.380 guns have come pretty far in the last few years in reliability as has the ammo,Gold Dots and DPX's are very reliable expanders.

Ive read good and bad about the Patriot 9 and .45 but more good tho.The 9mm version is $299 where i live and id guess the .45 should be much more.

The Keltec PF9 will work for pocket carry and is $300 and more trusted than the Patriot line.The Kahr PM9 is almost as good as it gets but is $650 but pockatable.

Taurus 709 is smaller than the PT145 and that series by being thinner,other deminsions are not much smaller.

If you can live with SAO and .380 the Sig P238 is the best .380 imo,the Kahr P380 being next.
My PPS will fit my back pocket,but unless i have an untucked shirt on its visible at the top barely.

9mm and pocketable the Keltec PF9 may be your best bet unless your wanting to spend $650 on that PM9 Kahr.

This link may help you with sizes of mouse type guns:
http://www.mouseguns.com/CompactCompare.pdf

[CommiePunk]

Originally Posted by asa

recoil? not fun? that AMT about cracks my hand off at the wrist every time i shoot it, a .45 that i can cover two thirds of with my Blackberry Storm?
anything has to be better than that

i've found that my AMT feeds perfectly with hollow points, FMJ rounds it'll jam, and some hollow point brands i've used jammed, but Speer GoldDot hollows feed all day and night. and you're right, it is pretty difficult to beat on size

i believe my supervisor has a Ruger LCR, i need to talk to him and find out more info on it

i've got a PT 145 that i've told him he's more than welcome to carry, but hell, that thing won't even fit in any of the pockets of my pants except for a couple pairs of cargo shorts i have
which is a shame, as i really like that one, a lot of people seem to talk bad about Taurus, but i really wish i could carry it more often

i've had a couple guys talk about the Cobra Enterprises Patriot .45, which (from this article) sounds like my AMT's long lost brother, one owner and a couple gun shop owner
sounds like a halfway decent mini-cannon, price seems to be very good



i was hoping you, or a couple other LEOs would toss out what ya'll carry for a backup pistol (as that's what the AMT was originally designed for), got any enlightenment for me?

i carry a Glock 27 and a NAA .22 mag (5-shot single action fold-up gun). Quite a few guys that i work carry a Beretta .32 Tomcat as a backup. It's not too heavy and shoots really nice. A few guys i know like the Ruger LCP as a backup too.

[Copejunkie]

Originally Posted by CommiePunk

i know quite a few people who like the Ruger LCP. It's like a Keltec but slightly better made. same shitty trigger pull though. It's very light and thin.

i compared the two side by side at the store the other day, and from what I can tell they are the exact same gun, but one of them has a Ruger symbol on it.

[CommiePunk]

Originally Posted by Copejunkie

i compared the two side by side at the store the other day, and from what I can tell they are the exact same gun, but one of them has a Ruger symbol on it.

i wouldn't go for either, but thats just me.

[StarDeath13]

Originally Posted by Copejunkie

i compared the two side by side at the store the other day, and from what I can tell they are the exact same gun, but one of them has a Ruger symbol on it.

There is a difference mainly in quality between the 2 and the finish is better on the LCP imo also.Ruger will carry a better resale also.

[jfnirvana292]

http://www.jericho.us.com/

The compact model on there may suit your needs.

[StarDeath13]

Originally Posted by jfnirvana292

http://www.jericho.us.com/

The compact model on there may suit your needs.

That compact is about 3x the size of the guns the OP is looking for.
But they are a well respected gun,actually made by Magnum Research or another devision over in Israel.
The gun you linked used to be called the "Baby Desert Eagle" after the original Desert Eagle, Magnum Research produced.

I think its all Import law mumbo jumbo thats behind all the different names,each different importer changes the name and i think Jericho is its third name now.

[jfnirvana292]

Originally Posted by StarDeath13

That compact is about 3x the size of the guns the OP is looking for.
But they are a well respected gun,actually made by Magnum Research or another devision over in Israel.
The gun you linked used to be called the "Baby Desert Eagle" after the original Desert Eagle, Magnum Research produced.

I think its all Import law mumbo jumbo thats behind all the different names,each different importer changes the name and i think Jericho is its third name now.

I dont know, both had ~3 inch barrels, though the one i linked to is 7 inches long vs 5 as what he posted...

[Rancidpunk666]

Originally Posted by Copejunkie

i compared the two side by side at the store the other day, and from what I can tell they are the exact same gun, but one of them has a Ruger symbol on it.

and most places sell the ruger for he same price or cheaper than the kel-tec.

I was going to buy the kel-tec used for 280, but the fuckers sold it a 2 hour time span from when i called to when i showed up. So the Ruger was 330. I got that instead.

[StarDeath13]

One thing about Keltec ive seen is it has options unlike the LCP.Stainless iirc and parkerized and blued.
Even so they still are priced $239-$299
The LCP is $309-$339

Really you cant go wrong with either,buy whats available imo.
Id still go Ruger for resale value,even tho i never plan selling or trading any pistol if i can help it.