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Can anyone make a list of contradictions from the standard progressive platform which should result in cognitive dissonance?
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Old 04-21-2012, 04:41 PM :ninja: is offline  
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it's not like they built all those tanks and missiles in the last 5 yrs. And they aren't spending much on maintenance, nor on military salaries. Russia can deal with a small war with someone right on it's border like Georgia, but invade Europe? Probably 80% of their equipment such as tanks wouldn't make it past 50 km before breaking down They could have done it in the 70's/80's, but not today.

US military equipment tends to be more complicated, hence higher needs in maintenance and more skills to perform that maintenance. The US military needs billions a year just to maintain the shit they have, much less acquire new shit. Yes we should reduce our presence in Afghanistan (and we're pretty much out of Iraq), and reduce military expenduire/budget. That will help the overall US budget.
Pretty stupid post, but you probably posted it because you didn't even have a clue that russia employs a conscription army
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Can anyone make a list of contradictions from the standard progressive platform which should result in cognitive dissonance?

such as?

Most of the shit spewed out by the far lefties is based on "not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings" and isn't as contradictory as it is lacking in testicular fortitude. Just based on that I'll take the pussycrats (as long as they don't fuck with my guns) over the retardicans (as long as they stay the fuck out of mine and everyone else's bedroom activities).
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Most of the shit spewed out by the far lefties is based on "not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings" and isn't as contradictory as it is lacking in testicular fortitude.

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such as?

Most of the shit spewed out by the far lefties is based on "not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings" and isn't as contradictory as it is lacking in testicular fortitude. Just based on that I'll take the pussycrats (as long as they don't fuck with my guns) over the retardicans (as long as they stay the fuck out of mine and everyone else's bedroom activities).

Libs aren't as PC as you think they are.

Or as Jesus-y about feeding the hungry and turning the other cheek. Me for one. I just find it humorous how the Right-wingers claim to love Jesus and then embrace everything he was against....

For one he offered free healthcare
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Libs aren't as PC as you think they are.

Or as Jesus-y about feeding the hungry and turning the other cheek. Me for one. I just find it humorous how the Right-wingers claim to love Jesus and then embrace everything he was against....

For one he offered free healthcare

his healthcare was charity provided from the private sector, he didn't advocate that the Romans start treating everyone. With government services, nothing is ever free as government can only redistribute resources, not create them, so you can't call it free.


Also... freedom costs a buck 'o five.
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his healthcare was charity provided from the private sector, he didn't advocate that the Romans start treating everyone. With government services, nothing is ever free as government can only redistribute resources, not create them, so you can't call it free.


Also... freedom costs a buck 'o five.

Romney/Obama care is fine by me bro. I'm hoping insurance gets cheaper. Shit is expensive... More so than it has to be that's for sure.
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Romney/Obama care is fine by me bro. I'm hoping insurance gets cheaper. Shit is expensive... More so than it has to be that's for sure.



What does health insurance mean to you and how important do you consider it?
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I'm hoping insurance gets cheaper. Shit is expensive... More so than it has to be that's for sure.

It won't, unless we have considerable reform beyond the Obamacare measures. They really didn't do much of anything to reduce costs.
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What does health insurance mean to you and how important do you consider it?

It means -$100 every month, which sucks and could be much lower, and it's something you and I and everyone should have. I see no problem mandating it the same way car insurance is mandated.

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It won't, unless we have considerable reform beyond the Obamacare measures. They really didn't do much of anything to reduce costs.

Mandate. Increased pool. Etc.

We won't know it doesn't work until it doesn't.
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The mandate is financial reality for having preexisting conditions covered and people not being dropped.

without it people could just wait until they get sick and then get insurance. at least now, even if they don't get insurance, they are paying a penalty into the system.

it's either this or universal government single payer if you want full coverage...
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The mandate is financial reality for having preexisting conditions covered and people not being dropped.

without it people could just wait until they get sick and then get insurance. at least not, even if they don't get insurance, they are paying a penalty into the system.

it's either this or universal government single payer if you want full coverage...

The mandate for insurance should only be for those high risk, fuck your wallet sideways, type conditions. For "routine maintenance", insurance does more to drive up the costs of everyday check-ups, (strep)throat cultures, and other normal procedures.
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It means -$100 every month, which sucks and could be much lower, and it's something you and I and everyone should have. I see no problem mandating it the same way car insurance is mandated.



What I meant is explain why you think I should have it.
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Mandate. Increased pool. Etc.

We won't know it doesn't work until it doesn't.

Might work to stop the increase of costs for awhile, but without doing something to address consumption we're not going to see actual decreases.
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What I meant is explain why you think I should have it.

Because without it if you fall and bang your head, everyone else has to pay your ER bill.

Because it lowers my premiums and saves me $$$.

Because I don't want you skipping Dr visits (also for your kids if you have any) because you spent all your money on booze, hookers, cigarettes, porn and church donations. If your kids are healthier, they won't get my kids sick with some ghetto aids. If you have your warts removed, there's less chance I'll get one after shaking hands with you. Etc

You being healthy = those around you won't get sick, in some capacity....

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Might work to stop the increase of costs for awhile, but without doing something to address consumption we're not going to see actual decreases.

Consumption of insurance benefits? Presumably having more healthy younger people will create more payments and less demand for services. I can see that.
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