This is why the world hates car salesmen....

[Major Fudge Packer]

Shame on them, taking advantage of someone like retardfinder

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...huling20m.html



Car salesmen accused of bilking mentally ill man

By Susan Kelleher, Jennifer Sullivan and Jonathan Martin

Seattle Times staff reporters

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THOMAS JAMES HURST / THE SEATTLE TIMES

Police say a group of employees at Huling Bros. auto dealership in West Seattle hatched a scheme to defraud a mentally ill man who came in to buy a truck. Three people have been charged.

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WASHINGTON STATE PATROL

This is the truck, sold for $30,000, that police say was part of a scam by Huling Brothers salesmen.

On a Saturday morning last July, salesmen at Huling Brothers Auto Center in West Seattle allegedly hatched a to steal $100,000 from a mentally ill customer, according to a detailed police affidavit released Friday.

The day before, prosecutors allege, the salesmen sold a fully loaded truck to the customer, who'd come in wearing feces-stained pants and boasting of having a dresser drawer full of cash.

Over the next week, police said, six salesmen rifled through the man's apartment, hunting for $70,000 the man kept in a plastic sack in his dresser. After being beaten to the cash by co-workers, one salesman managed to steal the man's new $30,000 truck by getting him to sign over ownership while the man was in Harborview Medical Center's psychiatric ward, according to charging papers.

Two Huling salesmen — Ted E. Coxwell, 39, and Paul R. Rimbey, 39, and their sales manager, Adrian G. Dillard, 32 — were charged this week with exploiting the mentally ill man and stealing what amounted to his life savings. Police say eight other Huling employees are under investigation for participating in the theft and possible cover-up.

Steve Huling, who owned the dealership until two weeks ago, refunded the man's truck purchase when he learned about the victim several months ago.

"I'm a reputable person. I hired the people who hired the people" who are accused, Huling said. "We've been there for 60 years. I feel terrible for this man."

The Huling dealership was sold to Spokane-based Gee Auto Group on Jan. 5.

The victim, who is currently at Western State Hospital, is not being named by the Seattle Times because of his vulnerability. Although the amount of money stolen from him was unusual, the pattern of exploitation is familiar, said Eleanor Owen, a board member of the greater Seattle and state National Alliance for the Mentally Ill.

"Quite honestly, I'm pleased the people at the car dealership are being held accountable here," she said.

The 60-year-old man lived with his mother for more than 30 years. She paid the bills, cooked his meals, and looked after the details of their lives, said Abdi Farah, 25, manager for Lam Bow Apartments, where the man lived in a two-bedroom apartment with his mother for nearly 11 years.

"The minute you meet the guy, you can see he was mentally disturbed," Farah said.

It's unclear how the man came into so much cash. He claimed to have $80,000 in his apartment, yet didn't lock his door when he left, according to the man's cousin, who lived in the same apartment complex and asked that her name not be used. The cousin assumed the man had been saving his federal disability checks, and that he didn't want to risk losing a housing subsidy by putting it in the bank. He told others he'd inherited the money.

The decline

Eight months ago, the man's mother, suffering from Alzheimer's, moved to an adult-care facility, and his behavior started to deteriorate. He began drinking, Farah said, and fouling his apartment with urine and feces.

Every morning at 6:15, the man — wearing the same short-sleeved blue T-shirt and pants — would stand in the street and howl like a wolf for 10 or 15 minutes, sometimes longer, Farah said. When the man walked into the West Seattle car dealership on July 21, employees didn't take him seriously — at least not until he said he could make his purchase in cash, said Seattle police. An employee agreed to take the man back to his apartment, and during the short drive, the man talked about his inheritance, according to police affidavits.

The State Patrol said the Huling Bros. salesmen charged the man full sticker price and sold him the most expensive warranty for the GMC Canyon pickup. The dealership could have easily knocked the truck down a few thousand dollars, investigators said.

"It's almost unbelievable someone would take advantage of a disabled person. Where's the human decency?" said an undercover Washington State Patrol detective who investigated the case with Seattle police.

The plan

Back at Huling Bros., the employee told co-workers about the man's stash of money, police said.

The next morning, at a sales-staff breakfast meeting, Dillard, the sales manager, told others about his dream to start a company to rescue failing dealerships, according to court charging documents. Then, they allegedly talked about stealing from the mentally ill man.

Some of the men even drove by the man's apartment after the meeting, police say.

An opportunity presented itself when the man returned to the dealership later that same day, saying he couldn't find his new truck, charging papers said.

While two employees drove the man to a Mercer Island impound lot, police said, Dillard and Coxwell went to the man's subsidized apartment and stole his money. Later, four other salesmen, unaware that the money was gone, scoured the apartment in search of cash, police said. They left with only a few dollars, according to court papers.

One of the men told investigators that several of them stood on a roof of the dealership and concocted the plan, according to charging papers. Dillard gave them gloves and sunglasses to wear during the burglary, the papers said. The papers also said one man who entered the apartment told police that he wore gloves, a hat and sunglasses.

On July 27, the mentally ill man called Seattle police to report his stolen money and missing truck, which had been impounded again, charging papers said. After taking one look at the feces piled in each room of the man's apartment, the officer called for an ambulance and had him committed to Harborview.

Within weeks, the man called Huling Bros. and talked to Rimbey about how he was afraid his truck would be auctioned off.

On Aug. 28, Rimbey allegedly showed up at the hospital with a contract that ordered the man to sign over his truck, pay the impound fee and give Rimbey a $300 service charge.

A notary public at the hospital signed off on it, even though the man was being evaluated for psychiatric problems, police said.

A hospital spokeswoman said Friday that the hospital is taking another look at its procedures for notary publics handling documents for psychiatric patients.

About a week later, two other Huling Bros. employees returned to the apartment, only to find that the man had been evicted, police reports said.

The Washington State Patrol said it notified Seattle police about what happened to the man after one of the 11 people believed to have participated in the theft scheme came forward. The former employee, who was being investigated by the Patrol for allegedly writing a fraudulent loan for a BMW he sold himself from the dealership, said he felt bad about what had happened to the mentally ill man, said the undercover State Patrol detective.

The fallout

Cline Davis, the president of Huling's new owner, Gee Auto Group, said he was blindsided by the charges. The only inkling he had of them came two weeks ago, when Huling briefly mentioned that a former salesman would be indicted, but that Huling had compensated the victim.

"People are angry and cursing, and saying, 'We'll never come back,' " Davis said. "It's escalated to this huge mushroom cloud, and now I'm trying to do damage control."

A spokesman for the Washington State Department of Licensing said the department will be reviewing the criminal case to determine if action against the dealership is needed. Even though Huling has been sold, the new owners could be penalized, he said.

To Farah, the victim's former apartment manger, it's hard to overstate the victim's vulnerability.

"At first, I thought, 'What kind of person would sell a car [to him]?' You could see the guy wasn't there."

[Regime|Life]

Oh yeah I heard about this... Fucking peices of shit.

[MrJohnson]

God damnit. Hope they get locked up for a long time.

[cheloo]

Wow, that is fucked up. How much lower could you go?

[bh696]

So he had feces on his pants?

[Thlam]

Thats is beyond low

[Junkie Mod]

Originally Posted by bh696

So he had feces on his pants?

that's now i roll

[yoda634]

Originally Posted by Isadouchebaglowlife

Wow, that is fucked up. How much lower could you go?

[Loote]

Originally Posted by Major Fudge Packer

After being beaten to the cash by co-workers, one salesman managed to steal the man's new $30,000 truck by getting him to sign over ownership while the man was in Harborview Medical Center's psychiatric ward, according to charging papers.

what scum.

[Bolix]

Originally Posted by Junkie Mod

that's how i roll

Seriously, what a bunch of shit heads. Never fuck with elderly people or mentally ill people, it just isn't right.

[Tex Arcana]

Originally Posted by ghoddamn fucking worthless humans

The next morning, at a sales-staff breakfast meeting, Dillard, the sales manager, told others about his dream to start a company to rescue failing dealerships, according to court charging documents. Then, they allegedly talked about stealing from the mentally ill man.

HOly shit, what a fucking hypocrite. And a crook.

Originally Posted by death to humans

A notary public at the hospital signed off on it, even though the man was being evaluated for psychiatric problems, police said.

Just proves that there is a particular group of "beings" (sorry, I can't call 'em "human", besmirches the name) that should immediately be shot the second they open their mouths: salesmen, politicians, and preachers--because they are all the same type of psychopath.

FUCK, this pisses me off... makes me fervently wish a big fucking rock would crash into the planet tomorrow and wipe human life completely out of existence. And what's sad is that stories like this are the norm, rather than the exception.

[lopoetve]

hope they get seriously canned for it.

[occupant]

I have worked as a car salesman four times.

1) Westway Subaru-Isuzu-Kia, summer 1997, sold 7 whole cars in 3 weeks and made $2300, not bad, this doesn't include my half-deals of which I sold six more vehicles, so that makes 10 units (13 vehicles) out the door in that time...(One of those half deals was three Hombre pickup trucks to a graphics design printer kinda guy, who I ended up working for five years later, and ended up driving one of those Hombres for him making deliveries)...but then suckage happened, Van Chevy bought the dealer out and kicked out everyone who hadn't been there a year or some . So I went across the highway to what was at the time...

2) AutoNation USA (used cars only), summer 1997, sold 7 cars in 6 weeks and made $2400, that sucked, but I sure got to test drive a lot of decent cars, and I met a lot of great people, one of which I ended up working for later at...

3) Lute Riley Honda, fall/winter 2003, didn't sell a car that they gave me credit for, but I did basically upsell another salesman's customer from a $7995 used CR-V to a $15995 used Trailblazer, helped convince her that her 1998 Accord EX-V6 coupe with leather wasn't worth much in trade because it had 90,000 miles on it, and salesman made $1900 more because of me. I didn't see a dime of that fucking money. In fact, one day a kid came in with $5000 in cash saying he wanted an automatic Del Sol we had advertised for $3500. Sales manager WOULDN'T LET ME SELL HIM THE FUCKING DEL SOL. Insisted I finance him on something. Dumbass manager didn't get the fact that the kid had NO JOB, the $5K was from an insurance settlement which fucked up his hips, and he couldn't work, and his parents were dead, and his grandmother was on a fixed income. So I told the kid to walk, because my manager was being a dick and wouldn't let him buy the $3500 car which he had enough cash ON HIS PERSON to take home. Then manager dickhead proceeds to tell me off, saying this is his dealership and blah blah blah, and I told him he just cost me a unit, my first fucking unit, and he can fuck off. Walked out and they eventually sent me a check for $215 for minimum wage for the hours I worked that one week. Fuck Lute Riley Honda, fuck Sonic Automotive, and fuck idiot sales managers who only want money on the back end. I gave up on car sales at this point but two years later I tried it again at...

4) Saturn of Hurst, summer 2005, didn't even finish training. Now you're thinking, Saturn, that's the NICE place to buy a car, no pressure, no hassle, no , no dealer add-ons, etc, right? Wrong. This Saturn dealer added $1500 in to every car, did every scumbag finance trick in the book, and decided that I needed MORE training because I don't see it their way. So I told them to fuck off as well. I went to work for Saturn to sell cars in a simple way, no , and all I got was . Knew the product lines inside and out. Got yelled at for telling someone the 4-cylinder VUE was a good value. All they wanted to do was sell loaded up overpriced V-6's with leather. I could have had 2 4-cylinder VUE's out the door until they switched the customer to another salesman, who tried to sell them a V6, and they walked. Dumbasses. Fuck Saturn of Hurst, fuck the company that runs them, and fuck people who fuck with Saturn's way of life.

So you show me a dealer that doesn't , and I'll go sell for them. I did find that Saturn of Mesquite is a no- dealer, but that's 60 miles from me, fuck that.

[lopoetve]

Sil-Terhar in Broomfield, Colorado. No , clean dealer, ford and exotics.
Boulder Nissan in Boulder, Colorado. No BS either.
Gebhart BMW/Audi/VW, Boulder, Colorado. No BS either, and great sales people

Those are the three I've found to be decent around here.

edit: on the other hand. Freeway Ford in Denver, worst scumbags around. They tried to tell us that a 2001 Focus with 90k on it, cig burns and a nasty smell was worth $9,500, after running my friend's credit and trying every other trick in the book. I won't ever go there again.

[Tex Arcana]

Originally Posted by occupant

I have worked as a car salesman four times.

1) Westway Subaru-Isuzu-Kia, summer 1997, sold 7 whole cars in 3 weeks and made $2300, not bad, this doesn't include my half-deals of which I sold six more vehicles, so that makes 10 units (13 vehicles) out the door in that time...(One of those half deals was three Hombre pickup trucks to a graphics design printer kinda guy, who I ended up working for five years later, and ended up driving one of those Hombres for him making deliveries)...but then suckage happened, Van Chevy bought the dealer out and kicked out everyone who hadn't been there a year or some . So I went across the highway to what was at the time...

2) AutoNation USA (used cars only), summer 1997, sold 7 cars in 6 weeks and made $2400, that sucked, but I sure got to test drive a lot of decent cars, and I met a lot of great people, one of which I ended up working for later at...

3) Lute Riley Honda, fall/winter 2003, didn't sell a car that they gave me credit for, but I did basically upsell another salesman's customer from a $7995 used CR-V to a $15995 used Trailblazer, helped convince her that her 1998 Accord EX-V6 coupe with leather wasn't worth much in trade because it had 90,000 miles on it, and salesman made $1900 more because of me. I didn't see a dime of that fucking money. In fact, one day a kid came in with $5000 in cash saying he wanted an automatic Del Sol we had advertised for $3500. Sales manager WOULDN'T LET ME SELL HIM THE FUCKING DEL SOL. Insisted I finance him on something. Dumbass manager didn't get the fact that the kid had NO JOB, the $5K was from an insurance settlement which fucked up his hips, and he couldn't work, and his parents were dead, and his grandmother was on a fixed income. So I told the kid to walk, because my manager was being a dick and wouldn't let him buy the $3500 car which he had enough cash ON HIS PERSON to take home. Then manager dickhead proceeds to tell me off, saying this is his dealership and blah blah blah, and I told him he just cost me a unit, my first fucking unit, and he can fuck off. Walked out and they eventually sent me a check for $215 for minimum wage for the hours I worked that one week. Fuck Lute Riley Honda, fuck Sonic Automotive, and fuck idiot sales managers who only want money on the back end. I gave up on car sales at this point but two years later I tried it again at...

4) Saturn of Hurst, summer 2005, didn't even finish training. Now you're thinking, Saturn, that's the NICE place to buy a car, no pressure, no hassle, no , no dealer add-ons, etc, right? Wrong. This Saturn dealer added $1500 in to every car, did every scumbag finance trick in the book, and decided that I needed MORE training because I don't see it their way. So I told them to fuck off as well. I went to work for Saturn to sell cars in a simple way, no , and all I got was . Knew the product lines inside and out. Got yelled at for telling someone the 4-cylinder VUE was a good value. All they wanted to do was sell loaded up overpriced V-6's with leather. I could have had 2 4-cylinder VUE's out the door until they switched the customer to another salesman, who tried to sell them a V6, and they walked. Dumbasses. Fuck Saturn of Hurst, fuck the company that runs them, and fuck people who fuck with Saturn's way of life.

So you show me a dealer that doesn't , and I'll go sell for them. I did find that Saturn of Mesquite is a no- dealer, but that's 60 miles from me, fuck that.

So we can track you down and lynch you??