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These new Phenom II's and Athlon II's look pretty good. I never would have considered AMD before then, at least for the last few years after Socket 939 (I have an i7-920 now). It seems that the technology is maturing very quickly, which is nice for everybody.

What do you think of the Turion II's, Malakai? My buddy just got a new laptop with the Turion II Ultra M640, and it seems pretty quick for desktop-replacement duty.
Old 12-24-2009, 07:23 PM KorruptioN is offline  
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You sure got taken for a ride on that price.

I built an AMD 1GHz Athlon (the first socket A - came out same year slot A 1GHz Athlons were manufactured) with 256MB RAM (PC133), 40GB HDD, and an ATI Radeon 64 for around $2000

This was when it literally just came out. However, I did get ripped-off most definitely.
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First EVER was an Athlon XP? That wasnt too long ago

My first self build was a Athlon Thunderbird 1.2ghz I think? I got a crappy biostar mobo and it never worked right, then finally returned it for an asus mobo and got her to like 1.8ghz.

Im so glad we have AMD making their own (great) chipsets, I do not miss VIA and the constant compatibility problems that came with it
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so how do you figure it to perform the same (in gaming), clock for clock, as current Intels?

Benchmarks that you ran yourself or from reading on the internet?
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fuck, I have an older 955 BE and it can only hit 3.8ghz stable. maybe it's time to upgrade...

Thats my current cpu. Im also eyeinf the C3 ver.
my 955 needs like 1.55v to do3.8 so i run it at 3.7ghz 1.45v instead
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These new Phenom II's and Athlon II's look pretty good. I never would have considered AMD before then, at least for the last few years after Socket 939 (I have an i7-920 now). It seems that the technology is maturing very quickly, which is nice for everybody.

What do you think of the Turion II's, Malakai? My buddy just got a new laptop with the Turion II Ultra M640, and it seems pretty quick for desktop-replacement duty.

They are still pretty new, I have not heard much about them yet.

But consider, Intel has no new laptop CPUs out this year aside from i7 mobiles. So the most advanced dual core laptop CPUs right now are those Athlon II chips. They are also supposed to have superior performance per watt and power management features over c2d mobiles, not to mention they have hardware virtualization for stuff like virtualbox and windows 7's winxp mode, most core2duo mobiles and even a bunch of the desktop core2duo and quads do not do hardware virtualization.

Im installing win7 ultimate on my bosses new 999 dollar i7 mobile (1.6ghz) Lenovo laptop. The cpu is fast no doubt (overkill for a laptop IMO) but even at 1.6ghz and with a large battery, it runs dead really quickly.,

Im very interested to know what P-states and what clock speed the cpu in your buddys new lappy runs at? And how about fsb and memory speeds? Ill be getting a new laptop for work pretty soon and Im looking to get one with those Athlon II mobiles
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so how do you figure it to perform the same (in gaming), clock for clock, as current Intels?

Benchmarks that you ran yourself or from reading on the internet?

Anandtech and Tomshardware's 965 reviews showed that at similar clocks, the i5/i7's were winning some game benches by single digit %'s, the Phenom IIs were winning others by the same, and others were tied. performance is so close as to call it a tie at similar clocks.

A few oddball games, notably Farcry2, does like way better on i5's and i7's. But the vast majority of games peeps are actually still playinf a lot were coming up equal or so close as to be equal.

Then in person, a have a good IRL friend with a core2quad (keith) extreme edition, another with an i7-920 (josh), and myself with the PhII 955BE@3.7ghz. They all run very similarly in games, the only thing that seems to make a diff is video card. The i7 guy has an old 9800GT 1gb (IIRC, its9x00 GT I forget what the X is exactly), core2quad EE guy has a 4870X2, and I have a 4770. C2Q guys games run the fastest by far, mine come in second, and i7 friend (josh) comes in a distant last. its all about the gpu once you have a triple or quad core past a certain speed. Pretty much any quad core over 3ghz is going to provide all the cpu power games need, its all about the video card after that.

This is why I constantly suggest people planning Intel gaming builds scale back their CPU to a PhII and cheaper AMD mobo, and dump the saved money into a faster video card. The PhII system with a faster video card WILL hands down always be faster than any i5 or i7 with a slower vid card. No i* no matter how fast can say, make a 4850 outperform a 4870 or 4890 on any PhII over say 3.2ghz. Now a 3ghz quad core instead of a 2.x dual core might make a big enough difference to make the slower card perform better, but every modern quad core can power modern vid cards just fine. And with the difference in cost between an i5 or i7-920+mobo, you can get a much better vid card for the same overall build cost going AMD, which will give you better game performance.
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But consider, Intel has no new laptop CPUs out this year aside from i7 mobiles. So the most advanced dual core laptop CPUs right now are those Athlon II chips.

uhh... are you unaware of the mobile i5's?
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uhh... are you unaware of the mobile i5's?

They are quad cores too yes?

I said they are the only current generation dual cores.

If the mobile i5's are dual core then my bad. Im not an expert on laptop cpu's anyway. I only know more now than usual (which is nothing) since I spent weeks researching a laptop for my boss.

I spent all night installing a clean windows 7 ultimate on this Lenovo Ideapad Y550P, 1.6ghz i7 with all the trimmings. its only a 15.x" screen as we wanted it to remain portable, not be a giant 18" dtop replacement like most other i7 mobile machines Ive seen in the wild.

I love my little 1000HE, but this bitch is NIIICE. Its bugging the hell out of me that the Fn key comes before the control key on the bottom left of the kb tho, I keep trying to control click or control+letter for shortcuts and hitting the fn key instead. It should always be control, then fn, like my 1000he. Also due to its kb layout or size or something, my finger constantly hits capslock insead of A. Very annoying!

Now that this baby has a fresh win7 ult x64 and all that crappy trialware/nagware is gone, this thing is smokin fast. But I imagine in a lot of apps that only use 1-2 threads, a 2.1-2.8ghz core2duo would actually be faster than this 1.6ghz i7 deallie... Either way its a damn sexy laptop, lenovo builds these things well. Great lookin, sturdy case. Keyboard keys have a great feel, and the screen looks gorgeous. Its LED backlight LCD 1366x768 wide.

This is the first mobile i7 Ive ever used. Windows UI feels totally responsive. It probably has a lot to do with the GTS 250M 1gb graphics card in here tho than the cpu

Major off topic, I was up all night formatting and customizing this thing & wanted to share.
Heres the link to it on pooegg if your interested!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...6613&Tpk=y550p

I really, really need some sleep!


edit: for some reason wireless file transfer speeds are completely abysmal with this thing. My netbook downloads from my main computers FTP server at ~2mb/sec, I cant even hit 200kb/sec on this thing, and file transfers off the web have yet to even hit 100kb/sec. ODD

edit2: setting the energy star power use systray applet to high performance lets the cpu go up to 2700mhz, wicked!! I had no idea it could go past 1.6ghz. Its actually just a win7 profile with cpu min and max speed plugged in both set to 100%. So is this CPU 1.6ghz as advertised, or 2.7ghz? Seems to be the latter

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They are quad cores too yes?

I said they are the only current generation dual cores.

If the mobile i5's are dual core then my bad.

the mobile i5 is dual core
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I just put a new Antec New Truepower 550W PSU into my case, as well as replaced my 3 random 120mm fans in the case with 3 Silverstone 60cfm 1200rpm nice quiet ones. Oh and replaced my Sunbeam Core Contact 120mm's stock fan with a Scythe Slipstream 120mm 110CFM 1900rpm fan. Not only is my box way quieter, but ambient temp dropped quite a bit, and the slipstream further dropped my CPU temp several degrees.

With the new PSU's active line conditioning (and the fact my old was like 4+ yrs old, a thermaltake 550w), plus the upgraded cooling, now 3.8ghz @ 1.5v is no problem so far. An hour into Prime95 CPU Torture Test and no errors. Previously it took more voltage to stay stable @this speed and even then would error sometimes.

Not a bad little christmas present, extra 100mhz on my cpu, and a much cooler & quieter case. The silverstone fans I used had a separate wire for hooking to the mobo for speed monitoring, so now my everest win7 sidebar app is complete with all fan rpm's. The PSU was bought for a diff box, being the same power, I adopted the new and passed on the old. A little PIF action, same with the fans =)

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the mobile i5 is dual core

Ah I stand corrected. Pretty cool, I have yet to see one in the wild yet.

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I'm looking to build a newer "mid-end" rig. Would an overclocked 955 be better than a Q6600 or Q9550.
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I'm looking to build a newer "mid-end" rig. Would an overclocked 955 be better than a Q6600 or Q9550.

Q9550 FTW, IMO.
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Q9550 FTW, IMO.

Are you simply saying that because it's what you bought?
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jesus christ...you guys are being cry-babies over nothing.

I have nothing against AMD, actually prefer them. The original post read just like an advertisement... Not used to real content on any genmay related forums...

++ for realz. posting this from an AMD machine...athlon 3200+ baby!
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