The South Needs to Get Over the Civil War

[electric!sheep]

Originally posted by razer1
How can you say that no one in america has known any suffering due to slavery when most blacks would not BE in America if it weren't for slavery? How can you say to bury the hatchet when for 400 years, a whole race of people were given no compensation for thier work. So while some families have had that time to build weatlh and hand down values and property, blacks have for the most part had nothing. Ignoring a problem DOES NOT make it go away. I don't see how the simple cause/effect relationship escapes everyone.

I can agree with the first part: The problem of race will go away if we stop thinking in terms of race. To solve problems faced by individuals due to past racism, we can use non-racial methods; after all, the mere fact of once being seen as "a black" means nothing in and of itself. The actual problems are economic, cultural, or social, and need to be solved within those paradigms, which do not operate in terms of race. As a somewhat trivialized example, the language ("discourse") of economics sorts people into the rich and the poor, so to acheive economic equity, we try to make the poor richer--NOT make "blacks" richer. Some people will say that racial categories are useful in identifying those who face a great number of purely economic, cultural, and social obstacles, but this isn't necessarily true, nor does the purported practical value overcome the costs of thinking in terms of race, IMO.

[BlutStein]

Originally posted by tekelberry
Would they fucking let it go?! Take your stupid ass confederate flag down, you live in the United States of America, not the United States of the Confederation. You aren't your own damn country!

Those who recreate the Civil War are just....just....ugh...GET THE HELL OVER IT!! We are ONE country now, and have been for decades.

Slavery was one of like 15 reasons for the civil war and if you'd paid attention in school you might have heard a few of them. The confederate flag is not about hating black people or wanting some cotton picked for cheap. Its about regional pride and cultural pride in being from the south.

I don't quite understand Civil War reenactments but if people enjoy it and it teaches people about our past, then why not do it. They do it in the north as well as in the south...it so happens that most of the battles were in the south.

Oh and if you really hate southern pride and the confederate flag then your gonna have to stomp out state pride, city pride and all those pesky state flags we have while your at it.

[electric!sheep]

Originally posted by BlutStein
I don't quite understand Civil War reenactments...

It's simple role-playing that gives people a temporary sense of purpose and stability. They will enact events from their favorite games, parts of history, movies, etc.

[Opcode]

read/learn - http://www.pointsouth.com/csanet/confederate_flag.htm

[brent4president]

Originally posted by electric!sheep
It's simple role-playing that gives people a temporary sense of purpose and stability. They will enact events from their favorite games, parts of history, movies, etc.

i dont think it's that deep.

i think it's like play time for adults. Only it has *some* educational value to it.

[BlutStein]

Originally posted by razer1
How can you say that no one in america has known any suffering due to slavery when most blacks would not BE in America if it weren't for slavery? How can you say to bury the hatchet when for 400 years, a whole race of people were given no compensation for thier work. So while some families have had that time to build weatlh and hand down values and property, blacks have for the most part had nothing. Ignoring a problem DOES NOT make it go away. I don't see how the simple cause/effect relationship escapes everyone.

For the love of God...

Explain to me how African-Americans are suffering because they are in America. They are free, have alot more rights then most people in the world and have you seen Africa lately? I'm not saying it was a good thing we shipped them over here against their will but its not like their life is all that crappy now.

America only imported 4 million slaves over that 400 year people, and by the time the slaves were freed there were only 11 million in America. If you start looking at the numbers, America imported very little slaves compared to mexico, the carribeans and Brazil. Nevermind Europe and its slave trade. I only bring this up because for some reason the rest of the world has gotten the hell over this and has moved on and here in America we can't get past it. 138 years is plenty of time for a race of people to get back on its feet. Thats like 7 generations since the release of slaves and we still can't get over it.

Always remember the past and learn from it but that doesn't get stuck on it and complain about something that never effected you. Shut up, learn from the past and move on.

[electric!sheep]

Originally posted by brent4president
i dont think it's that deep.

i think it's like play time for adults. Only it has *some* educational value to it.

It's not very deep. There are various types of play, and role-play is one of the more structured.

[bah]

Originally posted by Razor Wire Neck Tie
Celebrating the Revolutionary War is celebrating thousands and thousands of people who committed treason against the English (Every American state). King George should've hung every last one of those treasonous bastards and kept the gene-pool in America diverse instead of everyone having the same genetic makeup.

Fixed to put things in perspective.

[ajrmrcub]

Originally posted by BlutStein
I don't quite understand Civil War reenactments but if people enjoy it and it teaches people about our past, then why not do it. They do it in the north as well as in the south...it so happens that most of the battles were in the south.

The south is allowed to have a chimp on their shoulder because the north invaded the south. The left the union, legally, and the north pressed the issue. The south fought with all they had, all their life, and all their pride to protect their own land and people.

[electric!sheep]

Originally posted by ajrmrcub
The south is allowed to have a chimp on their shoulder...

[BlutStein]

OK when I said I didn't understand the reneaction I meant I didn't understand the fun of it. I know why they do it, its just not something I'd do.

[BlutStein]

Originally posted by bah
Fixed to put things in perspective.

Yep. The Civil War was alot like the Revolutionary War. A group of people felt they were getting screwed over and decided to branch off to govern themselves so that their needs and lifestyle could be met.

[BigToof]

The South will rise again, dear Yankees.

[Cockswallow]

Originally posted by electric!sheep

[dagamore]

Originally posted by Samhaine
MORON ALERT!!!PLEASE GO DIE!!!

Standard bleeding heart liberal response, don’t attack what I said, or dispute any of the meat of the argument, attack me on a personal level. If you are not willing to at least talk about the subject then shut the fuck up.

This was a good thread the brought to two very different points of view, and was going along fine, until you and your troll post.

and if you honestly believe that the 'War of Northern Aggression" was fought solely over the plight of a few Black Slaves (note this ignored the plight of the White slaves and indentured servants in the north) you are an idiot that has not done any honest research on the issue.

What happened was that the south started to industrialize; they were trying to move away from Plantations, which they saw as a limited growth industry, and were going to compete with the north for part of the great money trough that the north was getting fat on. But the North could not allow that, and crystallized the issue by forcing the slavery issue, and keep in mind that the south, and the new constitution (I think they were called the articles of confederation) had severely limited slavery, ie no more slaves could be brought in to the nation. But the history books ignore/gloss over this and from letters written between the president of the south and the King of England and France it looked like the south was willing to abolish all slavery in the south in a 20 year phase out plan. But the North was able to destroy what little industrialization there was, and burned a path from TN to the Atlantic Ocean, destroying millions of dollars(in that time dollars, now probably in the area of 15-25 billion if not trillions of dollars) of crops and property in GA/LA area. But I would not want to have the facts of this mater interfere with you made up mind.