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M1911 vs M9 vs M11

Between a Colt 1911, a Beretta 92F, and a Sig Sauer P228--which pistol do you think is better?

I've shot the M9 and the M11, but not the Colt. I liked the way that the P228 handled...but if I'm not mistaken it only carries 12 rounds, compared to the 15 rounds of the beretta. If anyone's critiqued these firearms themselves...please share some commentary, as I'm basically a n00b when it comes to this kind of thing.
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ive shot the beretta and the colt and i like the beretta better.
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I own both the beretta and the colt, they're both nice.

The colt fires bigger bullets but only takes 8 rounds max in the mag, has terrible stock sights, and is a little large for people with small hands.

The beretta fires smaller bullets but at almost double the .45's velocity, 10, 15, and 17 round flush fitting mags are avaliable. 20's and 30's are also avaliable. Like the colt it's a very large gun for people with small hands. it has pretty good stock sights, though the front post is part of the slide so if you want night sights there is some machining to be done.


edit: i prefer the beretta. it's more reliable, easier to disassemble, even with bad ammo you won't have misfeeds unless the magazines are damaged (which i have had.)

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Yea, but 1911's are so damn cool...
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Reliabilty and stopping power, I'd have to go with the 1911, although the baretta is so easy to shoot.
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i think it's a preference matter.

i find the beretta is a more comfortable handgun. nice thick grip, all operating components within reach of my thumb so i don't have to shift my grip, and pretty safe, too. it's got an indicator to tell you if a bullet is chambered, when engaging the safety, the firing pin disconnects and the hammer decocks. despite the beretta being more complex in construction, it was designed around modern manufacturing techniques, so it's cheaper than the 1911 these days.

the 1911 has a thinner grip, but i like that. but the stock slide stop lever is kind of short so i have trouble reaching it without shifting my grip on the gun. the 1911 is very simple in design and can be taken apart with almost no tools (i can't comment about this with the beretta because i haven't taken one apart.). the safety only engages when the hammer is cocked, so it's not the safest of guns as guns go. but it's got stopping power over the beretta.

come to think of it, it makes sense. the 1911 has a low muzzle velocity and a large caliber bullet. so the traveling bullet discharges a lot of its kinetic energy into, say, a torso. hence the stopping power.

eh, where was i going with that.

anyhow, i see both pistols as great guns... i can't comment on the m11, because i know nothing about it.

just some interesting info i guess. am i wrong with any of this?
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it is not a matter of persanal preferenc, it is a matter of shot placement, if you can shoot worth a shit, you dont need 11 or 15 +1 rounds to keep a target hidding behind a wall, you shoot them! the 45 is an all around better round for personal defense then the 9mm.

and the 1911 is more safe then any revolver (99% have no saftey) and all glocks (that trigger saftey is bull shit). plus a good gunsmith can tune a 1911 to be a fucken tack driver, and you cant get the same level of accuracy with the 9mm. the floating barrel on the m9 does make accuracy/consitancey a problem.

The soldiers that are in the grind, are trying to switch back to the 1911 because of stoping power issues with the M9 (read SF/Rangers/Seals) and if the FBI HRT will only use a 45 acp pistol then thats good enough for me.
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it is not a matter of persanal preferenc, it is a matter of shot placement, if you can shoot worth a shit, you dont need 11 or 15 +1 rounds to keep a target hidding behind a wall, you shoot them! the 45 is an all around better round for personal defense then the 9mm.

and the 1911 is more safe then any revolver (99% have no saftey) and all glocks (that trigger saftey is bull shit). plus a good gunsmith can tune a 1911 to be a fucken tack driver, and you cant get the same level of accuracy with the 9mm. the floating barrel on the m9 does make accuracy/consitancey a problem.

The soldiers that are in the grind, are trying to switch back to the 1911 because of stoping power issues with the M9 (read SF/Rangers/Seals) and if the FBI HRT will only use a 45 acp pistol then thats good enough for me.

It's a money matter. I spent 650 on my beretta a couple years ago, it's fairly accurate. I could shoot you in the head at 20 yards maybe more with it. I bought a charles daly 1911 A1 a few months ago for 450 and it keeps much better groups, I could pick which eye at the same distance. The 1911 cares if it's dirty or not though. I didn't clean my beretta for 6 months once, shooting at least 200 rounds a month and i never had a misfeed or jam. The 1911 prefers to be cleaned every hundred or so.
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M11 all the way. 13+1 and a better grip than the M9. If you're worried about stopping power, use a +P or a +P+ (Sigs can take it, but I don't reccomend the +P+ as there's no standard).

Sig makes one hell of a pistol, and the safetys make damn sure it doesn't go bang until you want it to. The SEALs use Sig 226 pistols in 9mm.
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and the 1911 is more safe then any revolver (99% have no saftey) and all glocks (that trigger saftey is bull shit).

i guess that's debateable. some argue that the double action trigger ensures that any round that's fired is no accident. but then again, i am no handgun afficionado so i can't argue.

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the floating barrel on the m9 does make accuracy/consitancey a problem.

correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought the 1911 had the floating barrel.



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The soldiers that are in the grind, are trying to switch back to the 1911 because of stoping power issues with the M9 (read SF/Rangers/Seals) and if the FBI HRT will only use a 45 acp pistol then thats good enough for me.


i also read about troops complaining of the 1911 being difficult to control because of its thinner grip and stronger recoil. maybe it's because they're wimps, i don't know.
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correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought the 1911 had the floating barrel.

The barrel is attached to the frame by the slide release on the 1911.

The beretta the barrel is literally dropped into the slide.
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If some guy was charging at me I'd rather have a 1911 than a Beretta. And if he has body armor I'll take a 5-7
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I've only shot the beretta and a 1911.

I hated the beretta and I love my 1911.

therefore the 1911 wins.

I've also shot several different Glocks, and I liked them all better than a beretta.

therefore in my shooting experience most handguns > beretta.

IMO Berettas are too complex and bulky.
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